Command/Milestone Results

Command/Milestone Results

Postby navyguy2 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:59 pm

Anyone know if the calls have been made to the Command and Milestone selectees?
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby COMEVIL » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:38 am

Calls have been made. Not sure who they are calling, vice letting find out when the results post.

Case in point: I never got a call about milestone selection but did about command.

Wouldn't it be nice if they let the community know what rules they use?
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby yoshi » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:37 pm

@COMEVIL:
sure would. they call it governance and there isn't any at the IWC level, either.
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby navyguy2 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:16 am

Good point. Not to mention the "non-published" O-5 CDR list that's not known until they need someone to take a billet. What if those individuals (unaware that they're on that list) decide to retire or take another position based on retirement plans? How do you plan for that?
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby Sum1 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:16 pm

navyguy2 wrote:Good point. Not to mention the "non-published" O-5 CDR list that's not known until they need someone to take a billet. What if those individuals (unaware that they're on that list) decide to retire or take another position based on retirement plans? How do you plan for that?


What exactly are you referring to? O-5 CDR CO/XO list? Milestone? Random billet?
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby COMEVIL » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:58 pm

Sum1 wrote:
navyguy2 wrote:Good point. Not to mention the "non-published" O-5 CDR list that's not known until they need someone to take a billet. What if those individuals (unaware that they're on that list) decide to retire or take another position based on retirement plans? How do you plan for that?


What exactly are you referring to? O-5 CDR CO/XO list? Milestone? Random billet?


Qualified, Insufficient Opportunity (QIO).

This is roughly the first 2-3 that didn't make the cut but are still considered qualified for command. If they can't fill from current bank, they reach into the QIO list. At the end of the year, the list is erased.

All communities do this. There is no way to make it public without making them part of the bank.
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby yoshi » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:08 pm

From the instruction:
"Selections for O-5 and O-6 command may include QIO selectees. These officers will be assigned to a command when a primary selectee is unable to execute command assignment (encumbered), and the bank has been depleted. QIOs will only be informed of their status if called upon to execute a command assignment. The QIO screened officer list will be maintained by the Deputy Director, Information Warfare Community and Foreign Area Officer Distribution (NAVPERSCOM PERS-47B). QIO designation is only valid during the fiscal year selected. Officers who are not offered an assignment will be returned to their screening group for the next board, unless they have exhausted opportunities for screening."

QIO shouldn't even be in the instruction. It doesn't mean anything, other than an available body with correct timing. I believe everyone getting screened for command is already qualified with the command qualification designator to prove it. So, it's inherently more than just two or three (although perhaps only two or three will be preferred). The board doesn't determine who is qualified for command, nor does it determine opportunity. Thus, QIO is not something a board determines, but everyting remaining after the determinations are made. It is a pointless statement meant to represent those few community-preferred who originally failed to screen for CO that have correct timing for the billet in question. As we've done for... ...well, ever (because there is no other way, when your screened PCO can't or won't go to a billet, for whatever reason). Our policy writing needs to improve.
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby Sum1 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:34 pm

yoshi wrote:From the instruction:
"Selections for O-5 and O-6 command may include QIO selectees. These officers will be assigned to a command when a primary selectee is unable to execute command assignment (encumbered), and the bank has been depleted. QIOs will only be informed of their status if called upon to execute a command assignment. The QIO screened officer list will be maintained by the Deputy Director, Information Warfare Community and Foreign Area Officer Distribution (NAVPERSCOM PERS-47B). QIO designation is only valid during the fiscal year selected. Officers who are not offered an assignment will be returned to their screening group for the next board, unless they have exhausted opportunities for screening."

QIO shouldn't even be in the instruction. It doesn't mean anything, other than an available body with correct timing. I believe everyone getting screened for command is already qualified with the command qualification designator to prove it. So, it's inherently more than just two or three (although perhaps only two or three will be preferred). The board doesn't determine who is qualified for command, nor does it determine opportunity. Thus, QIO is not something a board determines, but everyting remaining after the determinations are made. It is a pointless statement meant to represent those few community-preferred who originally failed to screen for CO that have correct timing for the billet in question. As we've done for... ...well, ever (because there is no other way, when your screened PCO can't or won't go to a billet, for whatever reason). Our policy writing needs to improve.


So I guess I still don't understand the big deal. Leadership/Command boards screen officers to a bank. You can go back and explicitly see who's been selected for leadership gigs and roughly guess how big the official bank is based on the delta between screened officers and opportunity. I would assume the detailers would at least make it easier on you by giving you the approx opportunity numbers. Once you have that the rest is easy math, right?

Unless you're saying QIO ARE the banked officers who didn't immediately get offered a leadership job and then, therefore, might be on deck for a gig should someone drop out. Otherwise, though, I see the point that including QIO in the instruction might lead to confusion.
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby yoshi » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:42 pm

yep, it's silly. board screens officers for command, both those who will command and those who will be in the bank in case something falls through (encumbered, medical, buyer's remorse, unexpected family hardship, investigation, etc, etc). unless I'm missing something - and that's certainly possible - the remaining officers, which includes this QIO thing (again, not a designation made by the board), did not screen. otherwise, they would know and so would everyone else.

i'd rather we say the truth. in the event screened and banked officers are unable to fill an opening command billet, the community leader will select from remaining command qualified officers to fill the vacancy.
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Re: Command/Milestone Results

Postby Sum1 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:56 pm

yoshi wrote:yep, it's silly. board screens officers for command, both those who will command and those who will be in the bank in case something falls through (encumbered, medical, buyer's remorse, unexpected family hardship, investigation, etc, etc). unless I'm missing something - and that's certainly possible - the remaining officers, which includes this QIO thing (again, not a designation made by the board), did not screen. otherwise, they would know and so would everyone else.

i'd rather we say the truth. in the event screened and banked officers are unable to fill an opening command billet, the community leader will select from remaining command qualified officers to fill the vacancy.


And it sounds a lot like this will be a situation occurring very infrequently. Why make billet/job/retirement decisions based on whether you're one of the on-deck (QIO) to the on-deck people (selected and banked) for a job?
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