New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligibility

Postby webmaster » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:04 pm

Here's the message and instruction

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FM COMNAVSURFOR SAN DIEGO CA
TO ALNAVSURFOR
ALNAVSURFLANT
INFO COMNAVSURFOR SAN DIEGO CA
COMUSFLTFORCOM NORFOLK VA
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COMNAVSURFPAC SAN DIEGO CA
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SECINFO/-/-//
MSGID/GENADMIN,USMTF,2008/COMNAVSURFPAC/0455/MAR//
SUBJ/NEW SWO QUALIFICATION AND DESIGNATION INSTRUCTION//
REF/A/GENADMIN/CNSP/221743ZAUG2012//
REF/B/INST/CNSP-CNSL/25FEB2013//
NARR/REF A IS CNSP MESSAGE HIGHLIGHTING THE CHANGE FROM
SWO INTRO TO THE BASIC DIVISION OFFICER COURSE. REF B
IS CNSP/CNSL INST 1412.1 SWO QUALIFICATION AND
DESIGNATION INSTRUCTION//
POC/BOWEN, B/LCDR/CNSP N7/SAN DIEGO, CA/619-437-2057
/JOHN.R.BOWEN1(AT)NAVY.MIL//
POC/SCOPA, B/LCDR/CNSL N7/NORFOLK, VA/757-836-3124
/BRIAN.SCOPA(AT)NAVY.MIL//
POC/MCKENNA, M/LCDR/SWOS N72/NEWPORT, RI/401-841-1309/
MATTHEW.MCKENNA(AT)NAVY.MIL//
POC/MURDOCK, R/LCDR/PERS 41/MILLINGTON, TN/901-874-3884/
RILEY.MURDOCK(AT)NAVY.MIL//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. THIS IS A JOINT CNSP/CNSL MESSAGE. THIS
MESSAGE ANNOUNCES THE RELEASE OF CNSP/CNSL INSTRUCTION
1412.1 SURFACE WARFARE OFFICER QUALIFICATION AND
DESIGNATION AND HIGHLIGHTS THE MAJOR CHANGES BETWEEN
VERSIONS. CNSP/CNSL INSTRUCTION 1412.1 SUPERSEDES CNSF
1412.1C AND SHOULD BE READ IN ITS ENTIRETY BY ALL
SURFACE WARFARE OFFICERS.
2. PER REF A AND WITH THE SUCCESSFUL STARTUP OF THE BASIC
DIVISION OFFICER COURSE (BDOC), SURFACE WARFARE DIVISION
OFFICER TRAINING AND THE PATH TO SWO QUALIFICATION HAS
UNDERGONE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. THIS ITERATION OF THE SWO
QUAL INSTRUCTION ACCOUNTS FOR THESE CHANGES, ESTABLISHES
REQUIREMENTS FOR SWO QUALIFICATION, AND MODIFIES
DESIGNATORS REQUIRED AND APPROVED TO PURSUE SWO
QUALIFICATION. MAJOR CHANGES INCLUDE:
A. PATHS TO QUALIFICATION. THERE ARE NOW THREE PATHS TO SWO
QUALIFICATION.
(1) 116X OFFICERS THAT GRADUATED FROM THE LEGACY SWO
INTRO COURSE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE
ADVANCED SHIPHANDLING AND TACTICS (ASAT) COURSE AT
SWOS NEWPORT PRIOR TO SWO QUALIFICATION.
(2) 116X OFFICERS GRADUATING FROM BDOC ARE NOT REQUIRED
NOR AUTHORIZED TO ATTEND ASAT. SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION
OF BDOC IS EQUIVALENT TO SWO INTRO AND ASAT.
(3) SURFACE LDO/CWO AND ENGINEERING DUTY OFFICERS LISTED
IN ENCLOSURE 1 OF REF B ARE NOT REQUIRED NOR AUTHORIZED
TO ATTEND ANY OF THE THREE SWO ACCESSION TRAINING COURSES
(SWO INTRO, BDOC, ASAT).
B. ASAT PREREQUISITES. THE 12 MONTH TIME ONBOARD REQUIREMENT FOR
OFFICERS REQUIRED TO ATTEND ASAT IS REMOVED. OOD (U/W) AND PQS
REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN PARA 7 MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO
ATTENDING ASAT.
C. QUALIFICATION TIMELINE. DIVISION OFFICER SEQUENCING WILL CHANGE
TO A 24/24 MONTH TOUR VICE 30/18 MONTH FIRST AND SECOND
DIVISION OFFICER TOUR LENGTH. TIME ALLOTTED FOR QUALIFICATION
CHANGED TO COINCIDE WITH THE REVISED TOUR LENGTHS.
(1) OFFICERS COMMISSIONED AFTER 01 OCT 12 WILL BE REQUIRED TO
QUALIFY SWO WITHIN THE FIRST 18 MONTHS FOLLOWING BDOC
GRADUATION.
(2) OFFICERS COMMISSIONED PRIOR TO 01 OCT 12 WILL BE REQUIRED
TO QUALIFY SWO WITHIN THE FIRST 22 MONTHS (NO CHANGE).
(3) COMMANDING OFFICERS MAY GRANT AN EXTENSION UP TO FOUR
MONTHS WHEN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES PRECLUDE COMPLETION
WITHIN THE ALLOTTED TIME IAW REF B.
(4) THERE IS NO TIME REQUIREMENT FOR NON-116X DESIGNATED
OFFICERS TO QUALIFY SWO.
D. NON-116X DESIGNATORS ELIGIBLE TO PURSUE SWO QUALIFICATION HAVE
BEEN REDUCED. SWO QUALIFICATION IS NOW A REQUIREMENT FOR
SURFACE LDO/CWO DESIGNATORS. A COMPLETE LIST CAN BE FOUND IN
ENCLOSURE 1 OF REF B. FOR OFFICERS IN DESIGNATORS WHOSE SWO
QUALIFICATION ELIGIBILITY WAS ELIMINATED BY THE NEW INSTRUCTION,
WAIVERS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR QUALIFICATIONS ALREADY IN PROGRESS
THAT CAN BE COMPLETED BY 31 DEC 2013. SUBMIT WAIVER REQUESTS TO
CNSP/CNSL N7 AS APPROPRIATE.
E. ASAT FUNDING. AS OF 01 OCT 12, FUNDING FOR ASAT SHIFTED FROM
PERS 41 TO TYCOMS. ASAT FUNDING SHALL BE TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER
TADTAR REQUEST AND SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE SHIPS ANNUAL TRAINING
PLAN (ATP) AND ATP AUGMENT REQUESTS.
3. DIVISION OFFICER TRAINING REMAINS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES AND
THE SURFACE COMMUNITY REMAINS COMMITTED TO ENSURING THE FUTURE
LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE PROPERLY TRAINED AND QUALIFIED.
4. VADM COPEMAN AND RADM THOMAS SEND.//
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby Sum1 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:15 am

Anyone know of any IWOs who successfully lobbied for the waiver? The message states that waiver approval rests with CNSP/CNSL, but the Deputy Commodore of my DDG's ISIC is stonewalling me. He doesn't believe any non-SWOs should wear the pin, so I think he's not forwarding my package to the Commodore/past the DESRON.

Even with the waiver my timeline is tight (31 Dec), but my command is willing to give me the opportunity to finish if the waiver comes through. Anyone have any recommended course of action here? I don't want to rock the boat too much between me, my CO, and the ISIC. I'd rather tread lightly than piss anyone off, even if what they're doing is really frustrating.
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby TarHeel98 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:28 pm

You might try pulsing SURFOR to see if it is there. I don't see that an endorsement from the ISIC is required, but that being said, even with endorsement at the DESRON level, the only thing DESRON can do is recommend disapproval. Were I you, I would keep the XO in the loop and press. Hell, my experience has been that my XO and CO have had my back fully if I am pushing hard to get a qual (especially one that positively reflects on them)!
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby COMEVIL » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:24 pm

Sum1 wrote:Even with the waiver my timeline is tight (31 Dec), but my command is willing to give me the opportunity to finish if the waiver comes through. Anyone have any recommended course of action here? I don't want to rock the boat too much between me, my CO, and the ISIC. I'd rather tread lightly than piss anyone off, even if what they're doing is really frustrating.


Tight is an understatement. Unless you have all the pre-reqs done -- OOD Inport, OOD U/way, CICWO, Boat O, etc, etc -- and only need a SWO board I don't see how qualifying in 30 days is possible.
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby Sum1 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:25 am

All pre-reqs, including OOD U/W are complete.

Since posting this my XO clarified the CO's statements to me, and it turns out the Deputy wasn't really stonewalling me. He just wouldn't push it to the TYCOM without absolutely everything other than the SWO board completed. Now that that isn't an issue anymore it should make it up to the TYCOM, and with any luck back down to us with an approved waiver. I'm proceeding full speed ahead and studying under the assumption I'll get a shot at the qual.

One way or another come December 31st I'm going to have A LOT more free time!
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby COMEVIL » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:17 pm

Sum1 wrote:All pre-reqs, including OOD U/W are complete.

Since posting this my XO clarified the CO's statements to me, and it turns out the Deputy wasn't really stonewalling me. He just wouldn't push it to the TYCOM without absolutely everything other than the SWO board completed. Now that that isn't an issue anymore it should make it up to the TYCOM, and with any luck back down to us with an approved waiver. I'm proceeding full speed ahead and studying under the assumption I'll get a shot at the qual.

One way or another come December 31st I'm going to have A LOT more free time!


Awesome! Study hard and Santa will bring you a SWO pin!
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby Schlag » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:51 am

I remember my SWO Board. It was an absolute free-for-all. XO (who was a Nuke) asked me to name all of the CGN that had been commissioned in the US Navy. WEPS wanted to know all of the training aircraft that had been used in the US Navy, since the beginning. Final question from the CO was "Why are manhole covers round". At least I knew that one! :D
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby Sum1 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:07 pm

lol... what the hell?!?!

One of the Ensigns who went up for his SWO pin recently wrote down all the questions they asked him. I got a peek at it.................... it was f'n ridiculous. With the totally random crap they ask you it's amazing that they seriously could use it as a bar by which to measure your knowledge of the surface Navy. It was so bad I thought for a moment that his list of questions was a joke. Nope! Not a joke.

Anyway, studying up, and we'll see what happens. Thanks for the support!
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby COMEVIL » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:45 am

Sum1 wrote:lol... what the hell?!?!

One of the Ensigns who went up for his SWO pin recently wrote down all the questions they asked him. I got a peek at it.................... it was f'n ridiculous. With the totally random crap they ask you it's amazing that they seriously could use it as a bar by which to measure your knowledge of the surface Navy. It was so bad I thought for a moment that his list of questions was a joke. Nope! Not a joke.

Anyway, studying up, and we'll see what happens. Thanks for the support!


So honestly here is my best recommendation. Find out who is on the board and go see each and every one of them. SWO's love this "kissing of the ring" sort of play and most will give you a good idea of what to expect from them for your board. I did this for my board with everyone except Ops, who was my boss. I figured he'd give me a free pass being my boss and all. Boy was I wrong!!! Ops was the hardest one on the board and, in the end, I had to come back a second time for "lookups." I say lookups in quotes because it was basically a second board. Anyway, good luck. v/r Comevil
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Re: New SWO Qual Instruction --- Removal of 1810s From Eligi

Postby Romeocorpen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:14 am

Sum1 wrote:lol... what the hell?!?!

One of the Ensigns who went up for his SWO pin recently wrote down all the questions they asked him. I got a peek at it.................... it was f'n ridiculous. With the totally random crap they ask you it's amazing that they seriously could use it as a bar by which to measure your knowledge of the surface Navy. It was so bad I thought for a moment that his list of questions was a joke. Nope! Not a joke.

Anyway, studying up, and we'll see what happens. Thanks for the support!



Sometimes I think the SWO board members go out of there way to find the most obscure questions to ask. I took my board with a fellow Warrant (CICO) and it basically amounted to 45 minutes of "Navy Trivia Pursuit" as the CO described it. The DH board members were all first tours who had done prior Amphib tours (we were on a DDG) so I honestly believe we taught them a few things during the board. I remember the first question (asked by the XO), "Explain the difference between a Combined Task Force and a Joint Task Force?". After about 90 seconds of my in-depth answer he stopped me and said, "this board isn't to find out what you know, it's to find out what you don't know."

Now my OOD (U/W) board was a complete 180 degrees. One of the most difficult of my career. The SWO board is more "big Navy" items. Be up-to-date on your NAVADMINs, programs, and polices. Don't forget your basic DivO info (Evals, Awards, Enlisted commissioning programs/career progression), along with Amphibious operations. Once you are complete, the best part is when your CO has to pin the device in your secondary position on your uniform.
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