SELECTEES FOR ACADEMIC YEAR 2012-2013 ENLISTED CYBER MASTER'S DEGREE PROGRAM AT NAVAL

SELECTEES FOR ACADEMIC YEAR 2012-2013 ENLISTED CYBER MASTER'S DEGREE PROGRAM AT NAVAL

Postby arvizo » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:11 pm

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SUBJ/SELECTEES FOR ACADEMIC YEAR 2012-2013 ENLISTED CYBER MASTER'S
DEGREE PROGRAM AT NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL//

REF/A/MSG/CNO WASHINGTON DC/051449ZAPR12//
AMPN/REF A IS NAVADMIN 117/12, SOLICITING APPLICATIONS FOR THE ENLISTED CYBER
MASTER'S DEGREE OPPORTUNITY AT NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL//

RMKS/1. THIS NAVADMIN ANNOUNCES THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN SELECTED TO
ATTEND THE NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL'S MASTER OF SCIENCE IN APPLIED CYBER
OPERATIONS PROGRAM (PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS THE MASTER OF SCIENCE AND
OPERATIONS; SECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM):

NAME (LAST FIRST MI) RATE PARENT COMMAND
DONTCHEV DEYAN M ITC (SW/AW) USS HALSEY (DDG 97)
BURDEN JAVON S IT1 (IDW/SW) NCTS SAN DIEGO
SKOFF THOMAS L IT1 (IDW/SW/AW) NCTS FAR EAST
CHAVIRA THERESA M IT1 (SW) COMNAVFOR JAPAN
DOUCET RACHEL A ITC (IDW/SW/EXW) HOPPER INFORMATION SERVICES CENTER

2. PROGRAM DATES: REPORTING DATE FOR FALL 2012 NAVAL POSTGRADUATE
SCHOOL (NPS) IS 17 SEPTEMBER 2012 WITH INSTRUCTION BEGINNING
24 SEPTEMBER 2012.

3. GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NPS CAN BE FOUND ON-LINE AT http://WWW.NPS.EDU.

4. POINT OF CONTACT IS LCDR BRIAN CAREY AT (703) 604-6297/DSN 664 OR VIA E-
MAIL AT BRIAN.CAREY1(AT)NAVY.MIL.

5. RELEASED BY VICE ADMIRAL S. R. VAN BUSKIRK, N1.//

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Postby Sum1 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:14 am

I saw this message in the queue on navpers site while waiting for CPO results message to pop. My first thought was "what an awesome opportunity" and my second was "why all ITs and no CTNs?"
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Postby Arkad » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:42 am

My response to this program continues to be...

Great for these few individuals, but where is the requirement?
How similar do we want our IPs and ITs to be?
What is the ROI?
How will we leverage the KSAs that this program will deliver?
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Postby Wolfpack » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:27 pm

From Ref A, CTNs were eligible. Wonder if any applied:

[SIZE="2"]. THIS PROGRAM IS AVAILABLE TO ACTIVE DUTY AND FULL-TIME SUPPORT MEMBERS IN
THE IT AND CTN RATINGS WHO MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA:
A. MUST POSSESS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN A RELEVANT TECHNICAL
FIELD INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO COMPUTER SCIENCE, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING,
AND INFORMATION OR ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY.
THE DEGREE MUST HAVE BEEN AWARDED BY AN INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING
ACCREDITED BY A REGIONAL ACCREDITING AGENCY RECOGNIZED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT
OF EDUCATION.
B. MUST BE AN E6 OR ABOVE WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONUS/SHORE ASSIGNMENT
BETWEEN APRIL AND DECEMBER 2012.
C. MUST BE ELIGIBLE TO INCUR A FIVE-YEAR ACTIVE SERVICE OBLIGATION BY
REENLISTMENT OR EXTENSION OF ENLISTMENT PRIOR TO NPS ENROLLMENT. SELECTEES
WILL BE AUTHORIZED TO REENLIST MORE THAN ONE YEAR EARLIER IF THEY ARE UNABLE
TO SATISFY THE FIVE-YEAR OBLIGATED SERVICE REQUIREMENT WITH AN AGGREGATE OF 48
OR FEWER MONTHS OF EXTENSIONS. AN EXTENSION WILL BECOME BINDING UPON
ENROLLMENT AT NPS. PAYMENT OF THE SELECTIVE SERVICE REENLISTMENT BONUS (SRB)
IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR SELECTEES WHO REENLIST FOR THE PURPOSE OF MEETING THE
OBLIGATED SERVICE REQUIREMENT. IF THE SELECTEE IS ENTITLED TO AN SRB, THE
SELECTEE'S COMMANDING OFFICER MUST COUNSEL THE SELECTEE INDIVIDUALLY PER DOD
7000.14-R VOLUME 7A, CHAPTER 9 OF JULY 1996, CONCERNING SUSPENSION OF
ENTITLEMENT.
D. UPON SELECTION, MEMBER MUST SUBMIT (VIA COMMAND CAREER COUNSELOR) A
PERFORM TO SERVE (PTS) IN-RATE APPLICATION. THOSE MEMBERS NOT IN PTS WINDOW
SHOULD SUBMIT A "SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE" APPLICATION INDICATING SELECTION TO THE
MASTER OF SCIENCE IN CYBER SYSTEMS AND OPERATIONS; SECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY
PROGRAM. SELECTION TO THE PROGRAM DOES NOT GUARANTEE DISTRIBUTION OF A PTS
QUOTA AND IS NOT CONSIDERED PART OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S PERFORMANCE INDICATOR IN
THE FLEET RIDE PTS PROCESS.
E. MUST BE WITHIN PRT/PFA STANDARDS WITH NO PFA FAILURES WITHIN THE LAST
THREE YEARS.
F. MUST HAVE NO EVALUATION MARKS BELOW 3.0 WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
G. MUST HOLD OR BE ELIGIBLE FOR A TS/SCI CLEARANCE. APPLICANTS WITHOUT A
CURRENT CLEARANCE SHOULD WORK WITH THEIR SPECIAL SECURITY OFFICE (SSO) TO
INITIATE THE CLEARANCE REQUEST.
H. MUST BE CONDITIONALLY ACCEPTED BY NPS. IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A
CONDITIONAL LETTER OF ACCEPTANCE, SAILORS SHOULD APPLY TO NPS AT
HTTP://WWW.NPS.EDU/ACADEMICS/ADMISSIONS/APPLYONLINE/APPLYNOW.HTML
AND SELECT CYBER SYSTEMS AND OPERATIONS; SECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY, CURRICULUM
NUMBER 336. IN THE STUDENT COMMENT AREA, SAILORS SHOULD ADD "CYBER SYSTEMS
AND OPERATIONS; SECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY" FOR A SEPTEMBER 2012 START. UPON
APPLICATION SUBMISSION, SAILORS MUST ARRANGE FOR SUBMISSION OF A SEALED
OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT TO THE NPS ADMISSIONS OFFICE FROM EACH INSTITUTION
ATTENDED FOR ALL UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE EDUCATION. NPS WILL NOTIFY
SAILORS WHO ARE NOT CONDITIONALLY ACCEPTED VIA E-MAIL.[/SIZE]
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Postby Wolfpack » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:31 pm

[quote="Arkad"]My response to this program continues to be...

How similar do we want our IPs and ITs to be?
QUOTE]

As the IDC looks to a more war-fighter focus, maybe the days of the IP, IW, OCEANO, Intel officers being the technical expert are behind us and the IDC is moving to a more technically adept enlisted core and getting the officers to focus on leadership, decision making the and the application of Information Dominace in warfare.
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Postby yoshi » Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:14 pm

Arkad wrote:My response to this program continues to be...

Great for these few individuals, but where is the requirement?
How similar do we want our IPs and ITs to be?
What is the ROI?
How will we leverage the KSAs that this program will deliver?


Excellent questions indeed! Had briefings and discussions about this program several months ago. We asked the same questions (as some action was required on our part) and the answers were less than settling. We drift along, oarless in the rowboat of how things get done, continually in meeting situations with cargo ships full of better ideas.

To briefly answer the questions in a non-rhetorical manner:
1) There is no requirement
2)We don't have solid roles for our rates and officers, or at least they aren't clearly defined (actions speaking louder than words).
3) No ROI for the Navy, as program currently is. Some ROI for the individual. It could be this program is simply a good deal for the individual and the Navy isn't looking for ROI.
4) Leveraging outcome of the education is sure to be tricky given no requirement, lack of annointed billets, stage of person'e career, etc.

Caveat: it is entirely possible (particularly given the way we communicate) we/I may not have the "full understanding" of what is going on with this program, or cyber, in general. I've wondered more than once how many Navy operational missions we execute in this realm or are we a simple force provider for NSA mission which might occassionally brush up against a Navy interest.
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Postby 1610MATROS » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:06 pm

yoshi wrote:To briefly answer the questions in a non-rhetorical manner:
1) There is no requirement
2)We don't have solid roles for our rates and officers, or at least they aren't clearly defined (actions speaking louder than words).
3) No ROI for the Navy, as program currently is. Some ROI for the individual. It could be this program is simply a good deal for the individual and the Navy isn't looking for ROI.


We have to be careful here in how we look at these answers. Simply because you or I don't know the answers does not mean there is not an answer. You and I may not even agree with the answer. But, it is not our place to answer. I am as cynical as the next person but I believe the Navy has answers to these questions. The program was not developed out of thin air - the Navy doesn't work that way. Someone (probably very well meaning) put this program together. If you really want and answer, they would likely have the answer - though it may not be the one we are looking for.

Give this guy a call and ask him the questions - LCDR BRIAN CAREY AT (703) 604-6297/DSN 664 OR VIA E-MAIL AT BRIAN.CAREY1(AT)NAVY.MIL.

And you could post his response here.
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Postby Sleeper » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:30 am

Wolfpack wrote:As the IDC looks to a more war-fighter focus, maybe the days of the IP, IW, OCEANO, Intel officers being the technical expert are behind us and the IDC is moving to a more technically adept enlisted core and getting the officers to focus on leadership, decision making the and the application of Information Dominace in warfare.


And if that's the case, let's abolish the IDC designators entirely and let the URL warfighters come do these jobs on shore duty.
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Postby TarHeel98 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:57 pm

Or...the IDC becomes are part of the URL...I am not advocating either way, but if the door can be swung one way, it can go the other as well...
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Postby Wolfpack » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:05 pm

Sleeper wrote:And if that's the case, let's abolish the IDC designators entirely and let the URL warfighters come do these jobs on shore duty.


There is still the requirement to have IW, Intel, etc. I did not advocate losing those skills. The URL can be URL and still have skills in aviation, surface warfare, etc, so why can't the IDC. So, to me, your comment does not make sense for the Navy or the military. It is not an all or nothing proposition.

And regarding going URL, can anyone pls explain what that really gives the IDC? Looking at it from a URL or not POV is limiting the IDC and the Navy. The URL/RL split dates back to post WWII. Much has changed since then, so maybe how the Navy defines operational and warfighting does also. If cyber, etc is so innovative and the warfare of the future, why are we limiting ourselves by trying to fit a format that is not innovative for forward looking?
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