INTEL WARFARE PIN

INTEL WARFARE PIN

Postby 1610MATROS » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:27 pm

Leaders,

We are getting close to obtaining approval to establish an Intelligence
qualification pin. On June 4th, I signed the two OPNAV Instructions which will
govern the qualification program for our pin. This action was the final step in
the process to request an Intelligence breast insignia from the CNO, via the
Navy Uniform Board. Our package requesting the insignia will be reviewed by the
complete Navy Uniform Board in late July. If ultimately approved by the CNO, it
will be announced to the Fleet through a NAVADMIN.

The right to wear the insignia will be earned through the completion of the
Professional Qualification Standard (PQS) for Intelligence Officers and a
qualification board. Those Intelligence Officers who have already begun or
completed the Intelligence Officer Basic Professional Qualification Program
(PQP) book and qualification board will be allowed to earn the pin through that
program (Details provided in attached 101417Z MAR 09 NETWARCOM message). There
is also a "grandfather clause" in the instruction which qualifies our more
senior Intelligence Officers (those not subject to the PQS or PQP) to wear the
pin based on their demonstrated knowledge and service in the Naval Intelligence
community. One important element of this program is that it will be a mandatory
qualification for our 163x and 645x Officers (optional for 745X). Absent an
approved waiver, failure to complete the qualification program within the
authorized timeline (2 years for Active Component Officers, 5 years for Reserve
Component Officers) will be grounds for removal from our community.

I've also attached the actual pin design proposed to the Uniform Board. The
design may incur some minor changes as we work through the prototype and
manufacturing process, but I expect the final product to be very similar in
appearance. Contracting, prototyping and manufacturing will likely take 6 to 9
months, so don't plan on wearing the new insignia until before Spring 2010.

This marks a key milestone toward our shared objective of clearly establishing
intelligence as a core warfighting capability of the U.S. Navy. Increasing the
professionalization of our force is a critical step in that regard, and the
Intelligence qualification pin will be a proud symbol of that professionalism
for those who earn the right to wear it.

Vr/ DJD (VADM Jack Dorsett, Director of Naval Intelligence)
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Postby arvizo » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:07 pm

Is there any talk of an IWO pin?
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Postby Sum1 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:57 am

I don't know, but they stole our lightning bolt idea...
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Proceedings: Professional Notes - CTICS Jim Murphy

Postby 1610MATROS » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:04 pm

Retired Senior Chief Jim Murphy's article which discusses the IW pin is here.

I have been told that this has been discussed with Senior IW leadership. No word on their thoughts.
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Postby Swaye » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:08 pm

We were told recently at Corry Station that it is in the works, but at least 2 years away. And, in the interests of full disclosure, I got that info 2nd hand. So, it's basically useless. ;)
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Postby OmegaMan » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:27 pm

I've heard about an enlisted IW pin in the works, but not an officer pin. Whenever I have heard discussions of an officer insignia brought up in wardroom discussions, most senior leaders have not been supportive. They are usually former URLs, for what it's worth. Webbie, as a former SWO, what are your thoughts about an IW pin?
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Postby COMEVIL » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:44 am

Does anyone else think this is getting a little rediculous? Isn't a rating insignia or officer designator indicative of qualification? Now we have to have a pin to prove we are professionals? What exactly will this accomplish, other than appeasing those who never bothered, or taken the chance, to get a SWO pin, NAO wings, or other?

And intelligence a warfare area? When did we ever defeat an enemy, kinetically or non-kinetically, with intelligence alone.

I'm just saying...
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Postby VQ Bubba » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:13 am

Why I support an Intel or an IW warfare pin:

1. Esprit d'corps...same reason we award folks ribbons and medals...bling works. I read that on the internet somewhere...

2. I like to be able to recognize an officer's speciality without giving him/her the third degree. When I see an officer wearing a SWO pin, I expect him/her to be a SWO...not an IWO. We are IWOs...not PAOs or HRs or Intel Os.
The officer crest and uniform imply general competence...the warfare pin tells me what that guy does for a living.

3. While the Warheads-on-foreheads URL crowd enjoys making fun of this warfare pin idea (just take a gander at what is being typed over at airwarriors.com), and while we have never won a war solely with intelligence...we have LOST wars and battles due to bad intelligence/information warfare. If an EA-6B NFO pushing a button to lay some 'trons on a radar is warfare...then how is CNA not warfare? It's one thing to read Sun Zsu...maybe we should actually understand what he wrote. Or does Phase 0 of a war not really count?

4. As a former (and winged) NFO I could care less what the URL pin-wearing crowd thinks about it...everyone always mocks change. I know that pilots thought the idea of NFO wings (instead of NAO wings) was a lark, too. We are integral to the fight...or we're not. If we are...give us a pin to point to...if we're not then why the heck is the Navy bothering employing us?

And yeah...I'd wear it above my NFO wings if we get one.:cool:
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Postby Sum1 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:33 am

COMEVIL wrote:When did we ever defeat an enemy, kinetically or non-kinetically, with intelligence alone.

I'm just saying...


When was the last time an aircraft carrier defeated an enemy without it's air wing?

I'm just saying.

We don't work in a Navy of stovepipes.
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Postby Swaye » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:22 am

VQ Bubba wrote:Why I support an Intel or an IW warfare pin:

1. Esprit d'corps...same reason we award folks ribbons and medals...bling works. I read that on the internet somewhere...

2. I like to be able to recognize an officer's speciality without giving him/her the third degree. When I see an officer wearing a SWO pin, I expect him/her to be a SWO...not an IWO. We are IWOs...not PAOs or HRs or Intel Os.
The officer crest and uniform imply general competence...the warfare pin tells me what that guy does for a living.

3. While the Warheads-on-foreheads URL crowd enjoys making fun of this warfare pin idea (just take a gander at what is being typed over at airwarriors.com), and while we have never won a war solely with intelligence...we have LOST wars and battles due to bad intelligence/information warfare. If an EA-6B NFO pushing a button to lay some 'trons on a radar is warfare...then how is CNA not warfare? It's one thing to read Sun Zsu...maybe we should actually understand what he wrote. Or does Phase 0 of a war not really count?

4. As a former (and winged) NFO I could care less what the URL pin-wearing crowd thinks about it...everyone always mocks change. I know that pilots thought the idea of NFO wings (instead of NAO wings) was a lark, too. We are integral to the fight...or we're not. If we are...give us a pin to point to...if we're not then why the heck is the Navy bothering employing us?

And yeah...I'd wear it above my NFO wings if we get one.:cool:



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